Hey everyone! Today I have a killer post for you by Mrs. Adventure Rich from AdventureRich.com. She was able to convince her employer to let her work remote! As someone who works from a computer at home, I can tell you that it's not a bad way to do it haha. She has some great tips for anyone that wants to try and do the same. Enjoy! ~M$M
What started as a typical day in late May 2016 quickly spiraled into a day filled with dreams and possibilities. As I took a break at work, I resorted to my favorite search and browsed jobs in the Midwest.
Not jobs for me…jobs for my husband.
At the time, I lived with my husband and son in southern California. My career at a Fortune 50 company was strong and we were enjoying our time and our local community. But we longed for more stability, a lower cost of living area to settle down and a community to thrive in.
We did not see this as a real possibility in southern California and were searching for jobs near one of our families (my family in the Midwest, his family on the East Coast).
On that day in May, I stumbled on a job posting at a prominent employer in the Midwest near my family. It sounded perfect. Similar to my husband’s current role, though in a different industry. I immediately texted the job over with something along the lines of “APPLY?!?!?!?!”
New Job Possibilities
Over the next few weeks, my husband applied, interviewed and realized that the job was not exactly what we thought it was and he may not be the right fit. But the company reached out and asked if he was interested in another job and by mid-July, he received an official job offer.
We were thrilled! We finally could see a feasible path back to an area we loved and a place to settle in. But there was one, glaring elephant in the room… my job.
While the job offer my husband received was competitive for the Midwest, I have brought home the larger salary throughout our entire relationship and marriage. Losing my salary would majorly impact our financial goals and our ability to save and invest. And financials aside, I love my job.
I did the only thing I could do. I approached my employer to negotiate a remote work allowance. I did so by taking the following actions.
How To Negotiate a Remote Work Arrangement
1. Research company policies and technology needs
My first step when considering a request for a remote work arrangement was to research my employer’s policies and remote worker technology needs.
I am fortunate to work for a company with many remote workers and a developed work-remote program.
Home office security information, internet access requirements, and other remote work policies and procedures are readily available and I began to scour the requirements to make sure I could comply with each.
My specific organization, however, does not typically allow for full-time remote work (~98% of my organization works at a company office location). As a result, I discovered that my request would fall into an “exception” category (not a standard allowance).
2. Prepare a pitch
After learning of my employer’s policies and procedures, I began to develop a case for why working remote would be beneficial for my company, my leadership, my team, and myself. I had to be honest with myself about what would be better in a “work from home” set up and craft a pitch that reflected my reasoning.
A few of my reasons included the following:
- At the time, my husband and I were parents to a 1-year-old. We both worked full time and, while we were managing, would greatly benefit from additional support. A move to the Midwest would create a network of support from friends and family (especially my parents), allowing me to be a more focused, engaged employee.
- The lack of commute would create a better lifestyle, allowing me to dedicate time to my work without the overhanging weight of driving 2 to 2.5 hours a day for the office seat.
- Many of the people I work with are on the East Coast. When working on the West Coast, I wake up 3 hours “behind” and cannot respond as promptly to early morning requests. By working on Eastern Time, I would be able to reply and meet with coworkers right off the bat, avoiding delays and holdups.
While brainstorming the benefits of working remote, I also tried to think through the potential downsides of working remote and how I would mitigate them.
A few of my downsides and mitigation plans included:
- Less connection with the greater team: Working remote creates a significant separation from a team. I proposed several workarounds, including a willingness to travel to offices on a regular basis, a dedication to set up “virtual coffees” and periodic meetings with team members in order to remain connected, and a willingness to take on projects and roles that involved personally reaching out to members of our team on a regular basis (example: organizational project tracking).
- Difficulty for my manager: I am fortunate to have excellent managers and relationships with my managers. But I did want to make sure they knew I would try to make their lives easier if I was working remote. To that end, I guaranteed that I would be readily accessible during work hours (company phone, email, and IM), provide a detailed weekly summary of my projects and work, and remain flexible for late-in-the-day meetings (2 pm Pacific is 5 pm Eastern!).
3. Conduct a professional meeting with management
With my pitch in hand, I asked my manager for a meeting. This meeting actually took place after my husband applied for the new job but before he received a job offer! I wanted to give my leadership as much time as possible to consider my request and gain necessary approvals.
During my initial meeting, I spoke to my manager in an open and honest way. I knew the decision would not be an easy one for my manager and I did not assume he would say yes. Much to my relief, he was quite supportive of my proposal but asked that I set up time with further levels of leadership (since he was not able to grant approval himself).
The next level leadership discussion was not quite as easy. I was asked to provide more detail about my motives, my plans, and my guarantees to help make a remote office successful. The meeting closed with an agreement that the leadership team would consider the request.
4. Follow up after the meeting to address any further concerns voiced in by management
While I had hoped for a more emphatic “yes!” right away, I was thankful that my management was considering a remote work allowance.
During the meeting with my team’s “next level leadership” (above my manager), my leadership raised several concerns about working remote. So, while waiting for a verdict, I decided to respond to each of the concerns. I met with my leadership a few days later to walk through each of the concerns he raised and my proposed solutions to the concerns.
This second meeting may not have greatly affected the outcome, but it could not have hurt. My leadership expressed appreciation for my careful consideration of their concerns and my proposed solutions.
5. Remain truly open to the possibility that management may say “no” (and have a plan for that situation)
With the meetings and solutioning complete, I had to do something incredibly hard… I had to wait.
By this point, my husband had a job offer in hand and we holding on responding to the offer while we waited for my employer to come back with a “yay” or “nay” to my remote work request.
During this waiting period, my husband and I worked through different scenarios. It would be one thing if my leadership says “yes” and allows me to work remote. But what if they say “no”? Would we stay in California? Would we move to the Midwest with my husband’s job and begin my job search there?
Through many difficult conversations and number crunching sessions, we developed a plan for each possible scenario. I also resolved to be open to any response and thankful for my employer’s consideration, regardless of the outcome.
6. If the remote work status is granted, show appreciation and go above and beyond to make the transition smooth
It may have seemed like excruciatingly long weeks of waiting for an answer, but in reality, my management granted my remote-work situation within a week or two of our discussion. I was ecstatic! The final piece of the puzzle was in place and we were able to move to our new home!
Knowing that the decision was not an easy one for my management, I tried to go above and beyond. I expressed my sincere gratitude to both my manager for his support and my leadership for their permission. I then took steps to make the transition as smooth as possible, sticking to my promises and mitigating any adjustment pains I could see.
One Year In
Now, after over one year of working remotely full time, I can say the new setup is an excellent fit for my life. I am able to spend more time with my son in the mornings and evenings, arrive at work energized and ready to work hard, and avoid portions of the job that previously brought me stress (e.g. commuting!).
In addition, my husband and I are settling into our new home, exploring the area, and becoming “locals” in our new hometown. I am thankful to my employer for the remote work setup and I believe the situation has proven to be mutually beneficial.
Questions for you:
1. Do you think that your job would allow you to work remote?
2. Have you looked to see if they have a policy on it?
3. …would you even want to?
Haha you prepared so much more than I did when I requested to work remotely!
I was working in MN but with offices out in California. The company was spending a fortune on sending me out to LA for two weeks a month, putting me up at a hotel on The Strand in Hermosa Beach. When it came time for me to ask, the request was simple: It had just snowed. In May. And I told my boss I really wanted to move. I was sick of the winter and I wasn’t going to spend another one in MN.
I did have a few things going for me though:
1. Bringing me up to MN quarterly would keep ties with the folks in MN and be cheaper than CA since hotels are much less expensive.
2. Being on the ground in CA would allow me a lot more flexibility to see them on their schedules.
3. I already was unavailable for them after about 2:30 their time which was inconvenient, so moving west would give me the ability to help them throughout the day more.
Like your situation, he couldn’t make the decision himself, but after looking at everything his boss agreed that it made sense if I wanted to move. Only downfall was no COL adjustment and no moving expense reimbursement. No biggy, I could (and did) make it work anyway, for several years.
I ended up leaving that company in early 2016 to take on a role that better aligned with what I wanted to do in the future. They moved me back to MN haha.
I’m thankful to have asked and REALLY enjoyed my time out in CA. I was convinced I was going to move there regardless of what happened with the work situation though.
IMO life’s too short to not take control of what you want to do with it. I knew I had a legitimate shot of moving to CA with an income, and I needed to take it. If for some reason the job didn’t work out, I’d figure something out…
That’s awesome, Dave! Great points on the cheaper travel (going from CA -> MN) and availability during the day when on Pacific time. I think the more facts presented that “just make sense”, the better the odds of getting the remote work arrangement.
And I agree, the move to the Midwest was the exact “life move” we wanted so it was really important to us to try to make it work.
Great info. I think people should consider to be willing to get paid less for an optimal work situation – whether it be a remote work arrangement or more vacation time. The latter is one that I see with my friends very often, they complain that they don’t have enough vacation time but they refuse to open the discussion with their employer about perhaps taking a reduction in salary for 2 more weeks off. Many employers would probably do it. Time is money!
Agreed. I was fortunate to keep my current salary, but my salary “range” is now adjusted for my current location. But when I first approached my employer, I didn’t know what would happen if/when my request was granted. Mr. Adventure Rich and I talked about this and agreed I would take a work remote arrangement even if I was paid less.
And I like the idea of more time off for a lower salary!
Very thought out process! When I negotiated my remote work arrangement I took probably a less researched approach 🙂 I knew others had done it for certain instances informally. So I just walked into my boss’s office one day and said “I plan on moving to Michigan, I hope we can make this work.” After talking in circles for 5 minutes he said, I’m sure we can make it work. I knew that I had the fact that I was a higher rated employee, that all of our work is done from the computer or telephone, and that I was close to an airport would help.
I’m a serial (over?) planner 😉 I’m so glad you were able to make a transition to a home office too! Knowing that I was a solid worker and seen as a high-performer certainly gave me an extra confidence boost to negotiate.
We are contemplating working remote next summer. It’s actually quite common at my company so I doubt I’ll have any issue. It also fits my job well. Both are obviously super important.
Good luck! I hope you are able to move to remote work 🙂 Let me know if you have any questions, there are certainly ups and downs, but I am very happy with it overall!
Great tips Mrs AdventureRich.
And to answer the questions, yes I would love to work remotely instead of having to commute 1.5 hrs each way for a total of 3 hours/day, and the company does allow it, however our department head is old school and wants everyone in the office :-).
Any idea on how to deal with such situation?
That is quite the commute!
I’m not sure if your employer would go for it… but could you propose a “test” or trial WFH arrangement? Maybe once a week so they can see that you are still able to work and connect as (or more!) effectively at home as in the office? I consistently worked from home about 3-4 days/month while in California, so my employer knew I was reliable and could get work done outside the office.
From there, I’d try to see if they would be okay with 2-3 days/week at home. It doesn’t eliminate the office/commute, but it would save you HOURS! 🙂
And if you do pursue this, I would think through/come prepared with the ways working remotely will make you a better worker. Your department head may need to hear that perspective and realize the benefits to both your company and you.
My employer didn’t allow it, so I literally quit.
Not joking 🙂
(edit: I don’t recommend anyone actually do this lol)
Excellent, excellent post Mrs AR! This message needs to be spread more. C’mon corporate America!
That was definitely on the table if they said “no”, but thank goodness the work remote arrangement was granted!
I’m hoping this type of arrangement becomes more common, it can really help both employers and employees (plus their families!)
There is no way my employer would allow this in my role. While, I’d love to work from home one day I’d like to do so in a very different capacity then I have now. Maybe if/when my blog takes off, I can make it happen.
Good luck!
Awesome.
Congrats.
A lot of negotiation is based on the nerve (courage) to actually do it. We had workers in my private practice who wanted to work from home. They persuaded us it was a good idea. I was skeptical. I wondered how they could be productive at home. It turns out they are a lot more productive at home. They work at peak times and don’t waste time on outfits and commuting, chatting with co-workers, going out to lunch etc. They are focused and flexible. I encourage people to look into “outside the box” options like this.
Thank you, Wealthy Doc! I was certainly nervous to first propose the arrangement.
I’m glad you find the work remote arrangement beneficial to your practice. I find similar things, my time can be managed much more efficiently when I work remotely!
Great points throughout this post! Most office positions would benefit from remote-work agreements as so much productive time is lost when people have to sit through long commutes and get dragged into irrelevant meetings. I’ve worked from home the last 2 years and have found I am much more productive. I’m guessing you get more work done in half the time!
Exactly!
I would love to work from home, but I think my employer would laugh in my face at the idea. I’m an elementary school teacher for a public board… so you can probably see why working from home isn’t exactly feasible with my current employer. Maybe if I ever have kids, I’ll open a home daycare and/or home school. But for now… commute to work I shall 🙂
Yeah, I can see how teaching would be tricky from home (unless you worked online or for a homeschool group?). Who knows what the future will hold for you! 🙂
This is awesome information. I do work from home once a week and I love it! I wish I could work more from home but my job requires a lot of face to face with professors. Although, they’ve allowed me to choose Friday as my work from home day so that was great!
Oh wow, that sounds like a great balance for a job that requires face to face interaction 🙂